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[5:14pm] mellon: Howdy! Can you hear any audio?
[5:15pm] JRigzin: just hooking it up, i'll let you know momentarily
[5:15pm] JRigzin: Howdy, to you too
[5:15pm] mellon: Thanks!
[5:16pm] JRigzin: yup, i've got audio
[5:18pm] mellon: Sweet!
[5:18pm] JRigzin: howz everything there in warm arizona?
[5:18pm] mellon: Is it clear? The indication on my screen is a little unhelpful.
[5:18pm] JRigzin: hard to tell now, because no one is talking
[5:19pm] JRigzin: i have the volume up pretty loud, though and I can hear footsteps and doors and the occasional voice
[5:19pm] JRigzin: yeah, jut heard that
[5:19pm] JRigzin: just
[5:19pm] mellon: Not warm, actually. We had a cold front in last night that dumped a huge amount of rain at DM and a pretty good drizzle at Tucson.
[5:19pm] mellon: Hm, you're saying the level was low?
[5:19pm] JRigzin: yeah, my volume is pretty cranked at the moment
[5:20pm] mellon: Hm. Well, once we have a teacher in front of the microphone we'll see how it goes.
[5:20pm] JRigzin: yeah, the "crowd" volume is usually pretty low. I can't usually hear people's questions clearly, for example
[5:21pm] JRigzin: it has always been easy to hear Geshe-lha, though
[5:22pm] mellon: We kind of need a crowd mike. Sigh.
[5:23pm] JRigzin: yeah, that would be fun, but understandably lower on the priority list
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[5:23pm] JRigzin: just being able to hear Geshe-lha in real time like this is such a huge blessing, i can live with a few other quirks
[5:24pm] PeteUlint: Hey there
[5:24pm] mellon: So on that note, it turns out that Venerable Jikme Palmo is teaching tonight.
[5:24pm] JRigzin: Ah, who is that?
[5:24pm] mellon: Elly?
[5:25pm] JRigzin: I didn't know her ordination name
[5:25pm] mellon: She's going to go over hypertexting.
[5:25pm] mellon: Ah. I was trying to be puffy.
[5:25pm] JRigzin: excellent, I've had some questions about that.
[5:25pm] JRigzin: lol, it will be nice to put a voice to the name on the screent
[5:25pm] mellon: Heh
[5:25pm] JRigzin: questions about hypertexting, not your "puffiness" '-)
[5:26pm] mellon: I figured. My puffiness is obvious and needs no questioning, other than as to why I permit it to persist. :')
[5:27pm] JRigzin: we all have those "vestiges" in some form or another. the puffiness is not getting in the way of broadcasts, anyway. unless that's the problem with the vnc....
[5:27pm] mellon: Nope.
[5:27pm] JRigzin: lol
[5:27pm] mellon: Although you could blame le lo for that.
[5:28pm] JRigzin: blame who?
[5:28pm] mellon: Tibetan for reluctance.
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[5:29pm] JRigzin: got ya. lho lho without le lo is a tough ballance
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[5:31pm] PattiZ: Hi, everyone.
[5:31pm] JRigzin: hi there
[5:31pm] mellon: So Pete, in case you had trouble downloading that stuff, it looks like the link got removed somehow. I just put it back. You might have heard Elly asking on the audio.
[5:32pm] mellon: Hi Patti!
[5:33pm] mellon: You guys aren't getting any hum on the audio, are you? Unfortunately I didn't bring headphones, so I can't tell.
[5:34pm] PeteUlint: Actually the audio is really low, I can't make out words. I got all the downloads and have the CDs burned. Waiting for one more address before sending them out. Put gofer on there too.
[5:34pm] mellon: Great! (About the CDs)
[5:34pm] JRigzin: thanks so much for doing that pete
[5:34pm] PattiZ: I have the same problem, very low volume
[5:34pm] mellon: Can you hear elly's test sound just now?
[5:34pm] PeteUlint: No prob. Don't thank me, thank Ted and ACIP!
[5:34pm] JRigzin: as to audio, there's a bit of a hum, but I can hear her with my stereo speakers cranked
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[5:34pm] PattiZ: Sounds very far away
[5:35pm] JRigzin: Thanks to Ted and ACIP too
[5:35pm] mellon: Well, we are, but that's no excuse... :')
[5:35pm] JRigzin: its all wonderfully miraculous, really. just like water moons.....
[5:35pm] PattiZ: hee,hee,hee
[5:36pm] JRigzin: just got a nice blast of volume
[5:39pm] chukyi: We are having a mac vs ibm debate here
[5:39pm] mellon: BTW, if you mac folks want a nicer chat client, check out Colloquy.
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[5:42pm] mellon: colloquy.info
[5:42pm] PeteUlint: Volume still low, hard to hear.
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[5:43pm] DavidFish: hi
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[5:43pm] PattiZ: hi david.
[5:43pm] PattiZ: sound is better, thanks.
[5:43pm] PeteUlint: Hi... volume fine for me now, thanks.
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[5:44pm] mellon: Great!
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[5:52pm] mellon: http://www.dmes.org/tibtrans/acip-gmr/
[5:52pm] DavidFish: ted, is this an appropriate time to ask if gofer is a program that's available?
[5:53pm] mellon: For WinXP, yes. Won't run on Win98. It's a DOS program, ironically.
[5:53pm] DavidFish: yes, windows xp, cool.
[5:53pm] PeteUlint: Win2000+ in general supports it, yea?
[5:54pm] mellon: Don't think it'll go on Win2k.
[5:54pm] mellon: Maybe.
[5:54pm] DavidFish: if it's an easy program to e-mail, i'm at davidbfishman@cs.com.
[5:55pm] PeteUlint: I also burned it on the CD I'll be mailing you David.
[5:55pm] DavidFish: thanks, peter
[5:55pm] mellon: I just put it up on the tibtrans page.
[5:56pm] mellon: The zip file is 168k.
[5:56pm] DavidFish: that was fast!
[5:56pm] mellon: Gotta love that DSL!
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[6:01pm] chukyi: elly just put up www.dmes.org/tibtrans
[6:02pm] chukyi: this is the site Ted put up earlier www.dmes.org/tibtrans/acip-gmr/
[6:04pm] PeteUlint: FYI, the sum total zipped DB files are ~250MB.
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[6:09pm] chukyi: now elly has www.dmes.org/trans-bboard up on the screen
[6:12pm] mellon: She's downloading Uma Chidun from the tibtrans page.
[6:12pm] mellon: Now she's looking in another browser at http://www.dmes.org/trans-bboard/viewtopic.php?t=54
[6:13pm] mellon: Wish I could show you this on the screen. :'(
[6:14pm] mellon: So she's searching for "explanation" in the dictionary and showing all the entries whose definitions contain it.
[6:14pm] JRigzin: what is this dictionary?
[6:14pm] mellon: This is the hypertext dictionary.
[6:16pm] JRigzin: what is the dictionary program she's using, though?
[6:17pm] JRigzin: ie. to search it
[6:17pm] PeteUlint: So this dictionary is a flatfile created by parsing a set of hypertext documents?
[6:18pm] mellon: Right. The intended output of this isn't actually the flat file, but the hypertexted files.
[6:18pm] mellon: The flat file is now up on tibtrans.
[6:19pm] PattiZ: thank you!
[6:20pm] chukyi: now wlly is www.demes.org/tibtrans/UmaChidun-20041014.rtf
[6:20pm] JRigzin: sorry, i don't know what a flat file is. how do I work with it once I open it?
[6:21pm] PeteUlint: yea, thanks. The nums in ( ) are wordcounts?
[6:22pm] mellon: No, those are hypertexter id numbers.
[6:22pm] mellon: Open it in a text editor - e.g., wordpad, MS word, TextEdit.
[6:22pm] mellon: Or my fave, Emacs.
[6:22pm] PeteUlint: Good 'ol emacs!
[6:22pm] mellon: Vi also works... :')
[6:22pm] PeteUlint: for luddites
[6:22pm] JRigzin: ok, thanks
[6:22pm] mellon: I'm fluent in both, actually. Weird, but true.
[6:23pm] PeteUlint:
[6:23pm] mellon: So She's got Uma Chidun up.
[6:23pm] mellon: She's at BSTAN BCOS CHEN PO DBU MA LA...
[6:24pm] mellon: She's just bracketed them like this: <1 BSTAN BCOS> <2 CHEN PO> <3 DBU MA> <4 LA> <5 'JUG PA><6 'I>
[6:24pm] mellon: Notice no space between PA and 'I angle brackets.
[6:24pm] mellon: <7 SPYI DON> <8 RNAM BSHAD>
[6:25pm] mellon: <9 DGONGS PA> <10 RAB GSAL>
[6:25pm] mellon: Oops, <9 DGONGS PA RAB GSAL>
[6:26pm] mellon: <1 classical commentary>
[6:26pm] mellon: <2 great>
[6:26pm] mellon: <3 Middle Way>
[6:28pm] mellon: <4 LA 'JUG PA>
[6:28pm] mellon: <4 Entering>
[6:30pm] mellon: <7 overview>
[6:31pm] mellon: rangjung yeshe. Available for $50, or you can use it online for free.
[6:31pm] mellon: nitharta
[6:32pm] mellon: hyperview.sourceforge.net
[6:32pm] mellon: http://www.dmes.org/hypertext
[6:34pm] JRigzin: Andres Montano's excellent Tibetan To English Translation Tool is here: http://www.rangjung.com/ry-dictionary2003/html/montano-notes.htm
[6:35pm] JRigzin: it accesses RY, Jeffrey Hopkins, Valby and a bunch of others
[6:36pm] JRigzin: the webpage for the tool itself is: http://www.people.virginia.edu/~am2zb/tibetan/ for additional
[6:41pm] PeteUlint: I'd be up for that.
[6:41pm] PattiZ: me, too.
[6:41pm] DavidFish: cool.
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[6:41pm] JRigzin: yes, sounds good
[6:41pm] Amanda: yes fab
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[6:49pm] mellon: <9 The Illumination of the True Thought>
[6:51pm] mellon: <9 The Illumination of the <10 True Thought>>
[6:51pm] mellon: <9 <10 GONG PA> RAB SEL>
[6:51pm] mellon: <9 <10 DGONGS PA> <11 RAB SEL>>
[6:53pm] mellon: <9 The <11 Illumination> of the <10 True Thought>>
[6:53pm] mellon: True Thought Illumination
[6:53pm] mellon: :')
[6:56pm] JRigzin: explanation
[6:58pm] mellon: <12 GYI> <13 DGONGS PA> <14 GSAL BA><15 R> <16 BYED PA><17 'I> <18 BLO> <19 GSAL> <20 GRON> <21 ME> <22 ZHES BYA BA> <23 BZHUGS SO>
[6:59pm] mellon: <23 Herein contained>
[6:59pm] mellon: <20 GRON ME>
[7:00pm] mellon: <20 Lamp>
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[7:03pm] mellon: <13 true thought>
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[7:05pm] mellon: <8 <7 SPYI DON> RNAM BSHAD>
[7:06pm] mellon: <8 presents an <7 overview>>
[7:06pm] mellon: <8 <7 SPYI DON> RNAM BSHAD>>
[7:06pm] mellon: agh, no, I was right the first time.
[7:11pm] mellon: <1 BSTAN BCOS> <2 CHEN PO> <3 DBU MA> <4 LA 'JUG PA> <8 <7 SPYI DON> RNAM BSHAD> <9 <10 DGONGS PA> <11 RAB GSAL>> <12 GYI> <13 DGONGS PA> <14 GSAL BA><15 R> <16 BYED PA><17 'I> <18 BLO> <19 GSAL> <20 SGRON ME> <22 ZHES BYA BA> <23 BZHUGS SO>
[7:12pm] mellon: <23 Herein contained> is A <20 Lamp> for Those of <19 Clear> <18 Minds>, which is an <14 Illumination> of the <13 true thought> <12 of> <9 The <11 Illumination> of the <10 True Thought>>, and <8 presents an <7 overview>> of that <2 great> <1 classical commentary> <4 Entering> the <3 Middle Way>.
[7:14pm] mellon: So I annoyingly suggested: <24 <3 DBU MA> <4 LA 'JUG PA>>
[7:14pm] mellon: <24 <4 Entering> the <3 Middle Way>>
[7:15pm] mellon: <25 <18 BLO> <19 GSAL> <20 SGRON ME>>
[7:15pm] PattiZ: good idea, ted..keeps the fact that they are titles of texts.
[7:16pm] mellon: <25 A <20 Lamp> for THose of <19 Clear> <18 Mind>>
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[7:19pm] PattiZ: a little honey in a hot mug of tea for V.Elly
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[7:19pm] mellon: So if you want to be on the mailing list for this, please send mail to me (we'll switch it to Eric later)
[7:19pm] mellon: mellon@fugue.com
[7:19pm] PattiZ: sounds good , ted. thanks
[7:20pm] DavidFish: thanks, ted
[7:20pm] PeteUlint: Okay, thanks Ted. Thanks Elly.
[7:20pm] PattiZ: thanks all, good night.
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[7:21pm] JRigzin: thanks a lot. what will i do next friday night, now that this is over?
[7:22pm] mellon: That will be the first hypertext meeting!
[7:22pm] DavidFish: a movie is a traditional way to celebrate the end of a course of study.
[7:22pm] mellon: Heh!
[7:22pm] JRigzin: cool, otherwise I'd have to go out dancing!
[7:22pm] JRigzin: movie sounds good
[7:23pm] mellon: I wouldn't want to put a stop to that, but let's get together on the chat at 5:30 next Friday, just to maintain some momentum. No obligation - GMR says not to push too hard between terms.
[7:23pm] PeteUlint: Thanks all, see you all again soon hopefully!
[7:23pm] mellon: Yup!
[7:23pm] mellon: Which doesn't mean don't practice! :')
[7:23pm] JRigzin: lol, practice is for 5:30 AM!
[7:23pm] mellon: Eek!
[7:24pm] mellon: Okay, thanks for coming, everyone!
[7:24pm] PeteUlint: I'm up at 4:30 since my yoga class is at 6am every day.
[7:24pm] JRigzin: if it doesn't happen then, it usually doesn't happen
[7:24pm] JRigzin: for me that is
[7:24pm] mellon: Same here, but I meditate after class. :')
[7:24pm] mellon: At least in theory.
[7:24pm] mellon: It's completely impossible to get to bed at 8:30 at DM, unfortunately.
[7:24pm] PeteUlint: lol. so next fri is a definite then?
[7:24pm] JRigzin: morning darkness is actually my favorite time of day
[7:24pm] mellon: Yes, I will be here even if nobody else is.
[7:24pm] DavidFish: til next friday then, thanks everyone.
[7:25pm] PeteUlint: i like it too. quiet.
[7:25pm] JRigzin: yeah, and i've got a better brain then than I do now (10:30 in Toronto)
[7:26pm] Amanda: thanks so much and bye everyone
[7:26pm] mellon: Bye!
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[7:26pm] JRigzin: so, i'm downloading the ACIP texts. Should I save all the Kangyurs to a separate file, and all the Tengyurs, etc. for searching with gopher?
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[7:27pm] mellon: If you just unpack them all in the same directory, they will go into the right subdirectories.
[7:28pm] JRigzin: so i could just make one big ACIP directory and bunch them all in together
[7:28pm] mellon: They'll unpack in KANGYUR/, TENGYUR/, SUNGBUM/, etc.