Tibetan Translators Course, Chat Transcript

2004-10-01

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<AndreaLe>	Hi gang!

<PeteUlint>	Hi Andrea

<robbi>	hello everyone

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<PattiZ>	Good evening all

<anthonyde>	What can we expect to get into this evening? is he
explaining the title or something?

<TedLemon>	Done with that.

<TedLemon>	Is anybody able to connect to the VNC right now?

<robbi>	no

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<PattiZ>	i'm getting an "invalid protocol"

<IrmaGomes>	can you connect to vnc?

<bonniewin>	yes, i am connected and seiing the text with a gr.exe
window in front of it.

<TedLemon>	How long have you been connected, Bonnie?

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<TedLemon>	gf.exe?

<bonniewin>	for about 15 minutes

<IrmaGomes>	I can't open it :(

<Billmcmic>	i've got vnc and it's scrolling through a second, black
screen with transliterated tibetan

<anthonyde>	i had the same, then reset it and getting the "invalid
protocol"

<bonniewin>	yes GR. EXE

<bonniewin>	oops  GF.EXE

<robbi>	i get the "invalid protocol" too

<PeteUlint>	I can't get it either, says "VNC Authentication Failed"

<Billmcmic>	gf.exe here

<PeteUlint>	Now it says, "Connection Rejected"

<PattiZ>	still invalid protocol

<IrmaGomes>	i get invalid protocol

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<DavidFish>	hi everyone.

<anthonyde>	Hi David!

<PattiZ>	hi david. I am now getting the last class on vnc

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<robbi>	hi david!

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<zorie1>	hello!

<User_>	hey zorie

<robbi>	now i'm getting something too

<PattiZ>	hi zorie

<anthonyde>	I missed the last class - did geshe la translate the homage
of the translator? what does this mean?

<User_>	my vnc seems to be stuck on the same phrase since two classes
ago.

*	Max is back (gone 00:35:52)

<IrmaGomes>	is there video?

<IrmaGomes>	I mean, audio?

<Max>	Hi all

<User_>	i've got background audio

<TedLemon>	There's supposed to be audio.

<AndreaLe>	You should hear some ambient room noise.

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<PattiZ>	classroom sound coming in fine

<AndreaLe>	good

<Max>	Hi Andrea, how is vnc going? Will we be able to read it today?

<Mickey>	mickey here from northern california sounds great

<User_>	anthony, nice job of transliterating.

<PattiZ>	hi mickey, twain harte ca ,here

<AndreaLe>	No idea about the VNC.  I've learned not to nudge Ted with
questions before class.

<Max>	:-) ok thanks

<AndreaLe>	I promise to type that translations into chat as they
happen, if necessary.

<Max>	ok thanks

<PattiZ>	thanks , andrea

<Mickey>	Pattie did we meet in LT? if so was tryring to find you

<User_>	thanks for doing that andrea.  if you get a chance could you
retype the web address where we can find gmc chanting the sutras?

<PattiZ>	yep, that you did..here i am

<Mickey>	cool

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<AndreaLe>	http://www.dmes.org/tibtrans/YogaSutras.mp3

<Billmcmic>	does anyone know what page we are on on the ACIP version?

<AndreaLe>	Please don't download right now, though -- we're using the
same server for class.

<AndreaLe>	BTW, Geshe-la is here now.

<AndreaLe>	Maybe we'll only start 15 minutes late tonight!

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<User_>	thanks andrea.

<Mickey>	The lineage poster at 3 jewels is very incredable

<AndreaLe>	Ted on VNC: "There's hope... no promises, but there's hope."

<AugustoOr>	so we hope

<PattiZ>	bill, last i have is @02A 5th verse down second line ending
BYA BA'O, ,

<Billmcmic>	thanks pattiz

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<AndreaLe>	About the homeworks (you'll hear about them in a minute) --
we will get PDFs of the homework up onto the website ASAP.

<anthonyde>	I think we're up to 'DIR GANG LA 'JUG PA'I DBU MA NI, 
'this is translated as 'Entering the Middle Way... 'etc

<PattiZ>	same here

<Billmcmic>	thanks, anthony, are you the same anthony who is from
AUStralia?

<anthonyde>	yes mate

<Billmcmic>	what time is it there?

<TedLemon>	So the VNC is running, but it's going to be behind.

<TedLemon>	It's 5:50.

<TedLemon>	It *should* catch up, but I'm not sure it actually will.  
:'}

<AndreaLe>	OK, so much for my "15 minutes late" prediction.

<TedLemon>	You should reconnect as soon as possible - the longer you
wait, the worse the delay will be.

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<AndreaLe>	Anthony... listen up...

<chukyi>	do you hear GMR Anthony?

<anthonyde>	Great - Uma Chin it is!

<AugustoOr>	As far as I remember, the last thing we did was DBU MA LA
'JUG PA ZHES BYA BA'O.... we didn't start 'DIR GANG LA

<AugustoOr>	I hear GMR barely

<AugustoOr>	now it's OK

<PattiZ>	good sound..yeah!!

<TedLemon>	Sigh.  I think VNC is a loss for this one too.   Sorry,
folks.

<AndreaLe>	Starting with 'DIR GANG LA 'JUG PA'I DBU MA NI

<TedLemon>	In order to make it work better, I pretty much have to write
a new program, which is more than I have time for right now.

<anthonyde>	Ted, please ask Geshe la if appropriate:

<anthonyde>	With regards to the first foot (#1) note referring to
'PHAGS PA YAB SRAS RNAMS'.  My understanding is that there are various
interpretations of the "sons". Two, sons, Four Sons (Aryadeva, Buddhapalati,
Bhavaviveka, and Chandrakirti), or seven sons.  Why not include all 7 "Spiritual
Sons" and not just Aryadeva? Isn't RNAMS a pluralizer and thus indicate that
there is more than one SRAS (son)? I.E. two sons, four or even seven sons? Isn't
there seven famous sons of Nagarjuna (the father)?  the sras bdun?

<anthonyde>	The footnote indicates just the fathers "heart disciple",
Aryadeva -- why not Buddhapaliati etc? If it is true that Je tsongkapa is bowing
down to Nagarjuna and his sons, meaning Nagarjuna's seven sons, then what is the
reason for mentioning Aryadeva only?

<anthonyde>	klu sgrub kyi thugs sras bdun - The seven spiritual sons of
Nagarjuna.

<anthonyde>	1) {shA kya mi tra}. Sakyamitra.

<anthonyde>	2) {nA ga bo dhi}. Nagobodhi

<anthonyde>	3) 'phags pa lha}. Aryadeva

<anthonyde>	4) {ma tang ki}. Matanga

<anthonyde>	5) {sangs rgyas bskyangs}. Buddhapalita

<anthonyde>	6) {legs ldan 'byed}.Bhavaviveka

<anthonyde>	7) {slob dpon dpa' bo}. Asvagosa

<anthonyde>	(Source: Rangjung Yeshe Tibetan-English Dharma Dictionary)

<AndreaLe>	GMR: "Just which 'Middle Way' are we entering into?  Here
'Middle Way' is actually the _classical commentary_ on the middle way; for as
the text says, 'In order to enter into the classical commentary on the middle
way...'"

<AndreaLe>	(The underscores _ mean italic text)

<AndreaLe>	Also, GMR uses double quotes, but I used single quotes
because I'm quoting GMR.

<AndreaLe>	Maybe for ease of cut and paste I'll leave out the external
quotes and use the same quotes GMR uses.

<AndreaLe>	He's searching in GOFER right now.

<AugustoOr>	Ted, VNC looks like it's working OK... what I see here is
MS Word, and the last line which is visible is "who've implored me to do so"

<AugustoOr>	we're hearing that, Andrea

<anthonyde>	It's delayed by a few minutes i think

<AugustoOr>	oh, OK

<AndreaLe>	He's looking in UMA TSIKSEL.

<BenjaminW>	zorie, you get the file i sent?

<zorie1>	via email? no

<zorie1>	didn't get anything

<BenjaminW>	i just sent again

<zorie1>	I'll check!

<AndreaLe>	Hey you too, stop e-mailing notes during class :-)

<AndreaLe>	(Seriously, chat only for people here in class)

<zorie1>	Ben got it!

<zorie1>	Thanks!

<AugustoOr>	I don't understand what Geshe-la is doing now... I see DBU
MA'I BSTAN BCOS.... BYA BA'I PHYIR, but I don't understand what is he doing
now...

<AndreaLe>	GMR footnote: [$ The opening line of Master Chandrakirti's
_The Explanation of the Middle Way_ (ACIP digital text TD3862, f.220a).]

<AndreaLe>	He's working on a footnote, and he had to check the database
to get the necessary data.

<anthonyde>	Andrea, how do we copy and paste this text?

<AndreaLe>	(I'm a little confuled myself)

<AndreaLe>	confused, that is

<AndreaLe>	Can you select from the chat window?

<AugustoOr>	a footnote for what? is kinda difficult for us to follow
only by the audio, especially when geshe-la is quiet, typing and reading
something we can't...

<AndreaLe>	Honestly, I'm not sure myself.

<Billmcmic>	i think I AM confuled

<Mickey>	I just got white words on a black

<BenjaminW>	Just which ‰Middle Way are we entering into?  Here
‰Middle Way‰ is actually the classical commentary on the middle way; for as
the teaxt says, ‰In order to enter into the classical commentary on the middle
way‰‰

<BenjaminW>	[$ The opening line of Master Chandrakirti‰s The
Explanation of the Middle Way (ACIP digital text TD3862, f. 220a).]

<AndreaLe>	He's explaining it...

<AndreaLe>	... listen up

<BenjaminW>	that's what He done

<AugustoOr>	DE YANG = moreover...

<AndreaLe>	GMR: Moreover, in the commentary to this the expression "It
says in _The Middle Way_..." appears over and over when they are using _The Root
Text on Wisdom_ as a scriptural source to prove a point.  As such,...

<AndreaLe>	... As such, it's important to realize the "Middle Way" in
our context here refers specifically to _The Root Text on Wisdom_. ...

<AndreaLe>	... You should not think that it refers to other great texts
on themiddle way, or to any other connotation of the phrase "middle way."

<anthonyde>	Question: Is the "Root Text on the Middle Way"
(Mulaprajyna)  text reffered to here by JTK and Chandra, Nagarjuna's text
"Madhyamakashastra"   - "Treatise on the Middle Way" -- also known as
"Fundamental Wisdom" (Prajnaanamumulamadhyamakarika) -- are these all the same
text?

<AndreaLe>	Starting with MA DHY'Y MA KA'I SKAD KYI... (he removed folio
numbers)

<AndreaLe>	Anthhony, yes, same text.

<AndreaLe>	That was me talking.

<anthonyde>	Thanks

<AndreaLe>	What's with all the weird characters in your chat?  Did you
try to use smart quotes or something?

<anthonyde>	no, maybe it's the font? i don't know

<AugustoOr>	just a question, when will you post last class' audio, chat
transcript, and translation (as PDF) (by that I mean the text geshe-la is
working on now, where he divides the paragraphs and type the translation in
between)?

<AndreaLe>	GMR: Working from the connotation of _madhyamaka_, the
original Sanskrit word here, the _Lamp on Wisdom_ also explains that the
expression "middle way" can refer either to the classical commentary on the
middle way, or to the Middle-Way school of philosophy...

<AndreaLe>	... As such we should understand that "Middle Way" here in
this context refers to the classical commentary on the middle way, even though
there's nothing more written than just "middle way."

<AndreaLe>	Augusto, we should have text available after each class... I
think we dropped the ball because Ven. Elly was out of town this week for a
sangha conference.

<AugustoOr>	OK, thanks Andrea

<AndreaLe>	Now that she's back we should get back on track :-)

<AndreaLe>	he's looking up "shes rab sgron m"

<AndreaLe>	(in the database)

<AndreaLe>	Found it in TENGYUR\UMA\SHEDRON\

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<AndreaLe>	Now he's looking up who wrote it...

<AndreaLe>	New footnote: [$ _The Lamp on Wisdom_ is a classical Indian
commentary on Middle-Way philosophy written by Master Bhavaviveka (c. 500 AD),
found at ACIP TD3853.]

<AndreaLe>	Next paragraph: 'O NA RTZA BA

<AndreaLe>	Ending with DE LA 'JUG GO ,ZHES ZER RO,,

<AndreaLe>	GMR: "Well then," you may ask, " just how is it that this
text enters into _The Root Text on Wisdom_?"

<AndreaLe>	And now the little Windows hourglass is stuck on Geshe-la's
screen.

<AndreaLe>	Wow, my karma must be pretty bad to even see my lama having
weird Windows problems.

<AndreaLe>	He's now resorting to taking the battery out.

<AndreaLe>	:-(

<kentsandv>	With many laptops, you hold down the power button for
>20 seconds or so and it forces a reboot.

<AndreaLe>	Brain surgery complete.

<Mickey>	let's all chant  Om Ayra Shamati Dharma Hum

<AndreaLe>	What's that one?

<Mickey>	Om Ayra Shamati Dharma Dara HUm

<AndreaLe>	Do you mean Om Arya Sumati Dharma Dhara Hum?

<anthonyde>	It was Jamyang Shepa "Great Exposition of the Middle Way" 
i think (JH)

<AndreaLe>	sumati = lobsang

<Mickey>	thank you

<AugustoOr>	thanks a lot andrea, you're helping us (all of us who are
not physically present there a lot... anyway, something came up and I have to
leave... I hope you'll be able to post what happened today and last class soon,
so that I can finally start the Portuguese translation (now that I've finished a
different tibetan-portuguese translation)

<AndreaLe>	Thanks for joining us, Augusto.  See you soon!

<Max>	ciao augusto

<TedLemon>	Geshe-hla's computer is haunted.

<AndreaLe>	Augusto, stay...

<AndreaLe>	He's telling a story about Rio de Janiero

<AndreaLe>	Brazilian stewardess school of Tibetan pronunciation.

<AugustoOr>	Brazilian stewardesses' pronunciation is really bad - (hi
I'm still here, I'll be leaving in a minute)

<AugustoOr>	I'll listen that when you post it later... bye then

<kentsandv>	sorry, have to leave, visitors!

<kentsandv>	Bye!

<AndreaLe>	Bye Kent!

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<Max>	bye

<AndreaLe>	Heavens, we're dropping like flies!

<PattiZ>	can't get enough of his voice, i'm still here

<AndreaLe>	Back to the translation...

<AndreaLe>	Starting with 'DI LA KHA CIG...

<AndreaLe>	GMR: On this question, some people have made the following
claim:

<AndreaLe>	[Blockquote indent]

<AndreaLe>	(now Ted's doing a little surgery on GMR's computer)

<anthonyde>	interestingly, zer skad  comes up as " hearsay, talk that
is not necessarily true

<AndreaLe>	GMR blockquote: In that other classical commentary, the
subject of the nature of deceptive reality and ultimate reality is not spoken
about in dopth.  Here in this commentary though the two realities are treated
extensively.  That's what it means when we say that this commentary "enters
into" the other.

<TedLemon>	I just hooked Geshe-la up with an ethernet cable.   Possibly
you will now be able to watch the VNC>

<AndreaLe>	Paragraph starting DE KHO NA NYID...

<AndreaLe>	Ending PAR MA MTHONG NGO,,

<anthonyde>	Getting the VNC now live! Fantastic ted and Andreea!

<TedLemon>	Keep us posted!   :')

<PattiZ>	i can see it!

<Max>	this is old vng class isn't it ?

<AndreaLe>	GMR: "But the fact is that _The Root Text on Wisdom_ is
infinitely more detailed that _Entering the Middle Way_ in terms of the variety
of logical arguments that it uses to set forth the idea of suchness.  As such, I
don't see that this last explanation is a very good one.

<TedLemon>	Shouldn't be.

<TedLemon>	You should be seeing RANG GI as the first Tibetan.

<TedLemon>	Can anyone confirm?

<anthonyde>	Yes, we have video

<AndreaLe>	Now he's working on RANG GI LUGS until SGO NAS SO,,

<Mickey>	no video here

<Max>	di kha la cig bstan

<TedLemon>	That's what you're seeing?

<Max>	yep

<TedLemon>	Have you stopped and restarted your VNC?

<Max>	yep

<TedLemon>	If you've left it running all this time you're watching the
old stuff.

<Mickey>	yep

<Max>	I know :-)

<anthonyde>	Q. Seeing JTK is reffering to about 3 or 4 books, then it
ins't very clear which book "this commentary" is?

<TedLemon>	Ah, I see, you're looking at the past.

<TedLemon>	About a paragraph back.

<TedLemon>	Is his cursor flashing?

<TedLemon>	(If it's not, you have a dead connection)

<Max>	I quit and starded twice .. always in the past.. yep the cursor
flashes

<Max>	I try again, thanks

<TedLemon>	Okay.   It seems to be catching up slowly if at all.   Don't
restart.

<Max>	So I do not restart.. ok

<AndreaLe>	GMR: Our own position is that Master Chandrakirti's work
"enters into" _The Root Text on Wisdom_ in two different mays: in one way that
relates to the profound side of the teachings, and in another way that relates
to the far-reaching side of the teachings.

<anthonyde>	you can see the time at the bottom right corner of GMR's
screen - then compare it to your computer time - see if they match.  i'm just 3
mins out of sync

<AndreaLe>	Ooh, that's use the old noggin!

<Mickey>	Ithink i am abou t3 min out of sync as well

<AndreaLe>	It's a shame we can't see the date on GMR's computer :-)

<TedLemon>	His computer says 6:52 right now.

<PeteUlint>	Assuming MY clock is correct (it differs from my watch),
I'm five min back.  (Its showing 6:48).

<Mickey>	is that a warp in time?

<AndreaLe>	Now we're starting on DE'I DANG PO NI through ZAB MO 'DI
SPANGS PAS,

<bonniewin>	i am showing 6:43

<Max>	Should I try to start VNG now?

<TedLemon>	Up to you.   This is clearly an inexact science.   :'}

<Max>	:-)

<AndreaLe>	GMR: The first of these two is treated in the autocommentary
where it says, "This is the unique system," and "Sages must come to see the
truth of this."

<TedLemon>	In order to make this work I need to make the vnc playback
app compress updates when you get behind - I'm pretty sure that right now it's
possible to watch this _slower_than realtime.

<AndreaLe>	The missing "and" he's referring to is between ,ZHES and
MKHAS (that's where his cursor was)

<AndreaLe>	searching TENGYUR\UMA

<Mickey>	the time gap between the my time and GMR's time is widening...

<AndreaLe>	Yikes.  Are you traveling near the speed of light?

<TedLemon>	Sorry.

<TedLemon>	No, he's just getting more data stuffed down his connection
than it can keep up with.

<AndreaLe>	(I'm a little rusty on my relativity)

<Mickey>	this really is an amazing thing

<AndreaLe>	He looked in the original using GOFER and discovered there's
no break between ZHES and MKHAS -- it's a quote within a quote.

<AndreaLe>	GMR edit: autocommentary where it says, "Sages must come to
see the truth of the statement 'This is a unique system.'"

<AndreaLe>	Footnote: [$ The quotation is found in ACIP T3862, f.347a.]

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<bonniewin>	I have to go.  Good night everyone.  see you monday

<TedLemon>	'night!@

<AndreaLe>	Edited footnote: The quotation is found in _The
Autocommentary to "Entering the Middle Way," ACIP T3862, f.347a.

<Max>	Bye

<AndreaLe>	bye!

<PattiZ>	bye bonnie

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<AndreaLe>	Now we're on paragraph beginning DE NYID MA RTOGS PA and
ending  SBYAR BA YIN NO,,

<AndreaLe>	(he's moving the paragraph breaks around)

<AndreaLe>	GMR: It also says, "Because they haven't realized this one
thing, they have rejected this profound object.  And so -- in order to
demonstrate that the commentary presents suchness in a completely unmistaken way
-- I have composed/shall compose this _Entering into the Commentary on the
Middle Way_."

<AndreaLe>	The -- is a long (em) dash on Geshe-la's computer.

<AndreaLe>	Geshe-la is going to explain why there's the "have
composed/shall compose" thing.

<zorie1>	hi David F! Hope you're well!

<AndreaLe>	He's searching the database (TENGYUR\UMA) for 'JUG PAS SBY

<AndreaLe>	He's not finding it in the Tengyur.

<AndreaLe>	So he's searching the Sungbum now...

<anthonyde>	I think the quote may be from Chandrakirti's own commentary

<AndreaLe>	(I feel like I'm giving the sports play-by-play)

<PeteUlint>	It works!

<AndreaLe>	Anthony, wouldn't it have been it the Tengyur in that case?

<anthonyde>	yes, but i still thinnk it was

<AndreaLe>	GMR is beginning to suspect that Je Tsongkapa is putting
words in Master Chandrakirti's mouth, as you'll see in a moment:

<DavidFish>	fine thanks, zorie.

<anthonyde>	Chandrakirti's Auto Commentary - "Commentary to  'Entering
the MIddle Way' by Chandrakirti

<AndreaLe>	GMR: What Master Chandrakirti is saying here is, "Because
they haven't realized this one thing, they have rejected this profound object. 
And so -- in order to demonstrate that the commentary presents suchness in a
completely unmistaken way -- I am composing this work, _Entering into the
Commentary on the Middle Way_."

<anthonyde>	Andrea, can you mention that to GMR?

<AndreaLe>	Next paragraph, starting with ZHES RANG GIS DBU MA'I DON and
ending with BRTZAMS PAR GSUNGS TE,

<AndreaLe>	ted's on it, Anthony.

<anthonyde>	dbu ma ka 'jug pa'i bshad pa

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<TedLemon>	I may have failed to accurately represent your position,
Anthony - sorry about that.

<anthonyde>	no worries

<AndreaLe>	GMR: The point then is that he himself will now set forth
the meaning of the middle way.  He will demonstrate how this meaning is unique,
in the sense that it is not shared with other schools of the middle way.  And
then he will show us how we can come to see the fact that it is mistacen to
interpret the meaning of the commentary in accordance with the views of the
Mind-Only School...

<AndreaLe>	... For all these reasons, Master Chandrakirti is saying, I
have composed my _Entering the Middle Way_.

<AndreaLe>	Listen for a really nice explanation...

<anthonyde>	Q. So did Chandrakirti write  Umala Jukpa to combat
Buddhapalati's "Commentary on the 'Middle Way' and Bhavaviveka's "Lamp for
'Wisdom'"? -- (both apparently previous  UnNagarjuna-like  commentaries of
najarjuna's Root Text on the Middle Way, i.e. Mind Only, and Independent
schools)

<AndreaLe>	Anthony, you're a star!

<AndreaLe>	Quote of the day: "Bhavaviveka's no chump"

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<AndreaLe>	He's brought up UMA CHIDUN onscreen.

<AndreaLe>	looking up maha shastra (using Sanskrit transliteration I
couldn't catch)

<AndreaLe>	Now he's trying different spellings of shastra

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<anthonyde>	This worked in th RY online dic: sha stra  =

<anthonyde>	treatises [ry]

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<DavidFish>	i've gotta go.  andrea,  ted, everyone--thanks; see you
monday night..

<AndreaLe>	Bye David, we're wrapping up here.

<PattiZ>	g'night david

<TedLemon>	Ciao!  You can watch the VNC now on instant replay.

<User__>	thank you everyone

<anthonyde>	Thanks heaps Ted!

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<IrmaGomes>	thanks!

<AndreaLe>	Thanks for coming!

<IrmaGomes>	Hey could someone ask Gueshe la

<AmandaNoo>	Thanks so much everyone

<Max>	Thanks

<IrmaGomes>	What practice to do, I know Khen rimpoche is not feeling
good these days

<PattiZ>	thanks to all, thank you Geshe-la

<PattiZ>	good night

<User__>	good night - love mickey

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<AndreaLe>	Irma, he's answering your question...

<IrmaGomes>	thanks would you type it because I lost audio

<AndreaLe>	He says the way to protect the lama's health is to resolve
any disagreements within the dharma group.  The vibrations of these
disagreements hurt the lama.

<anthonyde>	Ted, Elly,  I would really love to see the audio for class
three, the updated translation, and the homeworks on the bulletin board if
possible?  Muchly appreciated.

<PeteUlint>	Thanks so much all, goodnight

<AndreaLe>	Also, he urged people in NY/NJ to go to Art Engel's course,
and then tune into this one on time delay.

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<Billmcmic>	thanks ted and andrea

<AndreaLe>	Thanks for coming!

<Max>	Ok, thanks

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<robbi>	we've also been asked to do Vajrasattva retreats, meditations
for Khen Rinpoche's health

<IrmaGomes>	thanks from the bottom of my heart

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<robbi>	good night all!

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<anthonyde>	Thank you so much Andrea! see you monday

<AndreaLe>	Bye!  thanks for all your great questions!

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